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Sunday, May 3, 2009

A Serious Competititor For Google

An invention that could change the internet for ever

Revolutionary new web software could put giants such as Google in the shade when it comes out later this month. Andrew Johnson reports

The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled this month with the launch of software that will understand questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the web has never managed before.

The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way a person does.

Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet watchers.

Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.

Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think this could be big."

Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains, complete with graphs and charts.

The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of the International Space Station, it can work it out.

Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America, added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers and academics for crunching complex maths.

"I've wanted to make the knowledge we've accumulated in our civilisation computable," he said last week. "I was not sure it was possible. I'm a little surprised it worked out so well."

Dr Wolfram, 49, who was educated at Eton and had completed his PhD in particle physics by the time he was 20, added that the launch of Wolfram Alpha later this month would be just the beginning of the project.

"It will understand what you are talking about," he said. "We are just at the beginning. I think we've got a reasonable start on 90 per cent of the shelves in a typical reference library."

The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and information.

He also added that he would not go down the road of storing information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others might use the technology to do so.

Wolfram Alpha has been designed with professionals and academics in mind, so its grasp of popular culture is, at the moment, comparatively poor. The term "50 Cent" caused "absolute horror" in tests, for example, because it confused a discussion on currency with the American rap artist. For this reason alone it is unlikely to provide an immediate threat to Google, which is working on a similar type of search engine, a version of which it launched last week.

"We have a certain amount of popular culture information," Dr Wolfram said. "In some senses popular culture information is much more shallowly computable, so we can find out who's related to who and how tall people are. I fully expect we will have lots of popular culture information. There are linguistic horrors because if you put in books and music a lot of the names clash with other concepts."

He added that to help with that Wolfram Alpha would be using Wikipedia's popularity index to decide what users were likely to be interested in.

With Google now one of the world's top brands, worth $100bn, Wolfram Alpha has the potential to become one of the biggest names on the planet.

Dr Wolfram, however, did not rule out working with Google in the future, as well as Wikipedia. "We're working to partner with all possible organisations that make sense," he said. "Search, narrative, news are complementary to what we have. Hopefully there will be some great synergies."

What the experts say

"For those of us tired of hundreds of pages of results that do not really have a lot to do with what we are trying to find out, Wolfram Alpha may be what we have been waiting for."

Michael W Jones, Tech.blorge.com

"If it is not gobbled up by one of the industry superpowers, his company may well grow to become one of them in a small number of years, with most of us setting our default browser to be Wolfram Alpha."

Doug Lenat, Semanticuniverse.com

"It's like plugging into an electric brain."

Matt Marshall, Venturebeat.com

"This is like a Holy Grail... the ability to look inside data sources that can't easily be crawled and provide answers from them."

Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of searchengineland.com

Worldwide network: A brief history of the internet

1969 The internet is created by the US Department of Defense with the networking of computers at UCLA and the Stanford Research Institute.

1979 The British Post Office uses the technology to create the first international computer networks.

1980 Bill Gates's deal to put a Microsoft Operating System on IBM's computers paves the way for almost universal computer ownership.

1984 Apple launches the first successful 'modern' computer interface using graphics to represent files and folders, drop-down menus and, crucially, mouse control.

1989 Tim Berners-Lee creates the world wide web – using browsers, pages and links to make communication on the internet simple.

1996 Google begins as a research project at Stanford University. The company is formally founded two years later by Sergey Brin and Larry Page.

2009 Dr Stephen Wolfram launches Wolfram Alpha.

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Great News
[info]nabil2000 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:06 am (UTC)
This is exactly what I was looking for for all my research needs :),
fantastic!
Re: Great News
[info]roshangjha wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:40 pm (UTC)
The article is really good. But, what kind of research did you use this on?

http://www.makmoon.com
Re: Great News - [info]squarebird - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 08:57 pm (UTC) Expand
Over Hype?
[info]mattvot wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
Where I think Wolfram Alpha is a good idea, how can it be deemed the biggest internet revolution for a generation even before its launch!

So you can ask a computer a question, so what. You get the same answers as a search engine, but maybe a little faster. The answers are still only as reliable as the pages indexed by Wolfram. I don't understand why it would be a revolution.

For example, FaceBook and Social Networking sites are considered a revolution of the internet because t bringing the ability of quickly communicating with the masses relatively easy and free. But Alpha is just similar to a site like Wikipedia, where it collects information from it users, but it displays it in a friendly short answer form.

I could see a service like Alpha being integrated with Google as an added bonus, like the same way you would do a calculation with Google. But I don't think that the site as a whole will expand as expected in real life. People are just too busy and inorent to try something new, when something like Google provided many services under one roof
Re: Over Hype?
[info]vinha1006 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:11 am (UTC)
Sir; I think you miss the point of being able to relate search parameters without the usual profession specific jargon. That capability alnoe (if I am understanding the concept correctly) will be valuable beyond words to many. Here is hoping that I am the understanding the impetus correctly.
Re: Over Hype? - [info]mattvot - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Over Hype? - [info]broseber - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 04:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Over Hype? - [info]humble_sparrow - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC) Expand
A miracle with an Eton/Harvard endorsement
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
A truly stunning development for the leisured inquisitive to enjoy history while electricity lasts, whilst also providing a unique profit opportunity for venture capitalists who are currently twiddling their thumbs. Amazing!
Its Impact...
[info]meteorquake wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:39 am (UTC)
Will we be happier people?
Re: Its Impact...
[info]dd113 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:49 pm (UTC)
Google, Amazon, Wikipedia, Wolfram Alfa and at the end of the day the Internet is just a tool. It cannot make you happy or sad. The way you use it makes the difference. Don't thank or blame the Internet for your happiness or sadness.
Re: Its Impact... - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Its Impact... - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Nova Spivack
[info]kerrygold wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:43 am (UTC)
I've forgotten my latin but doesn't that translate as 'modern spiv'.
Re: Nova Spivack
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
Probably a pseudonym for Robin Cheetham, former investment banker analyst.
history of the internet
[info]johnathebeach wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:10 am (UTC)
I thought ALGore invented the internet, at least give hm credit for golbal warming hysteria, the biggest scam of a history.
Re: history of the internet
[info]nevertoolate2 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:19 am (UTC)
What took AlBGore a life time to build, will only take PrezBO a few short months to destroy. BO will probably end up taxing the Internet to death to pay for his wonderful "free" healthcare plan for everyone, including illegals, Michael Moore and George Sorros...because they deserve our tax dollars to pay for their healthcare to. Heck, why not free healthcare for the entire world, it's it a right now?
Please note the term "free" mean: some other poor sap has to pick up the tab!
Re: history of the internet - [info]bammymammy - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:35 am (UTC) Expand
Re: history of the internet - [info]the_mattoid - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: history of the internet - [info]globalsailing - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: history of the internet - [info]vpurto - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 06:39 am (UTC) Expand
How smart is it? :)
[info]labrian wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:16 am (UTC)
>Ask it about D sharp major, it will play the scale.> I trust it will also know, as the user of this example apparently does not, that D sharp major is not a key. Yes, the scale of D sharp major can be written with accidentals in any key, but there is no key of D sharp major. Why? Because the 3rd and 7th would be double sharps, e.g. F double sharp and C double sharp, and double sharps are used as accidentals but not in key signatures.
Re: How smart is it? :)
[info]johnk144 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:46 am (UTC)
Perhaps if asked about D# Maj, it would reply with "You must mean Eb Maj". Now THAT would be smart.
Re: How smart is it? :) Smarter than labrian! - [info]jonsummys - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:55 am (UTC) Expand
You're a journalist and I claim my £5 - [info]ottorino - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:49 pm (UTC)Expand
Conventions of Music Notation - [info]labrian - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: How smart is it? :) - [info]ottorino - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:41 pm (UTC) Expand
What will they think of next?
[info]griddlejim wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:34 am (UTC)
Now if only someone could invent a way to keep dogs from going on my lawn! =)http://www.scholarshiphunter.com/keepdogsofflawn.html
Re: What will they think of next?
[info]rojaws wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:03 pm (UTC)
And foxes away from our hen-house as well please.
Re: What will they think of next? - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: What will they think of next? - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Searching Based On the Existing Information
[info]costarricense wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:53 am (UTC)
This is a new search engine, and it plans to compete with two biggest existing already, in the way of technological, commercial and philosophical. What languages? What's the point? if the information already have been found and spider by the two major ones. The best will be if this soft program consider to allow all world websites to show their information without restrictions and think first in the user and then in the business, educational for example. http://www.solidamerica.com Costa Rica
I did not understand anything
[info]roshangjha wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:22 am (UTC)
What is all this? Is this something about history?

I did not get it.

http://www.makmoon.com
Who determines what I'm looking for?
[info]pjsbiz wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:34 am (UTC)
I wonder who makes the decisions about deciding what the consumer is looking for?

Honestly I didn't know computers could also read my mind while I'm surfing?

I do a lot of research online and my actions are never the same. Sometimes I hit the back-button, sometimes I swipe the URL and paste, sometimes I use the search bar, sometimes I type a search right in the browser.

So when computers can actually read my mind, please I would like a cocktail about right now.

Pamela "Pj" Smith
http://www.MasteringWealthOnline.com/?t=F
Re: Who determines what I'm looking for?
[info]trochilus wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC)
Do we not frequently find something we were not searching for . . . to our benefit?

And was it not uncertainty that prompted the search?

Otherwise, why the search? Just to prove to yourself how smart you are?

Even then, there is that little bit of uncertainty . . . "Hmmm, I better took this up before I say it so unequivocally!"
Um...
[info]adammc123 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
I think the internet already has this. It's called Ask Jeeves, and it sucks. Also, this just seems like a ploy for this man to get rich and famous. I recommend changing the name of the program/site, otherwise, I'll pass -permanently.
Wait a Minute Here!
[info]nodems wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:01 am (UTC)
Al Gore said HE invented the internet!

Geez! You guys really need to check your facts!
Re: Wait a Minute Here!
[info]dd113 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 01:06 pm (UTC)
In Autumn 2004, I was at the University studying IT and Microsoft organized a presentation on campus about ...Microsoft. A smart looking chap arrived and told us that 'his boss, Bill Gates' (he said these exact words with a proud smile on his face, the poor guy) 'invented the Internet'. Then his PowerPoint presentation got messed up and crashed his notebook and he had to continue without his slides...
Re: Wait a Minute Here! - [info]2_old_2_care - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Sounds like the hype around Cuil
[info]errsta wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:03 am (UTC)
Could this be Cuil v2.0?

Oh, cuil...we hardly knew ye...
Wait and see
[info]jfjfjfj23234234 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:35 am (UTC)
Wasn't there a "google killer" that came and went within the past year? It was a short word, started with C, but that's about all I remember about it. Oh yeah, its results were horrible - that's another thing that I remember. Let's not pronounce Google dead yet - we might as well TRY this new one before mentioning the "G" word, ok?
Re: Wait and see
[info]wpcraigslist wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:56 am (UTC)
See the post preceding yours which refers to Cuil. Perhaps that was the the Google killer.
Internet Search Engines
[info]jschrembs wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:39 am (UTC)
Jeff Schrembs said: Intersting. However, since GOGGLE is in "tight" with Obama (and the Democrati Political Machine spearheaded by George Soros admitted NAZI helper during WWII who actually made money working with the NAZI's and is a convicted FELON in other Countries) whoever goes up "against GOOGLE" will surely find themselves investigated and regulated into oblivion.
Nuff said.
Jeffrey Schrembs, American Citizen
Re: Internet Search Engines
[info]typeractivity wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 11:10 am (UTC)
Umm...Democratic administrations tend to pursue anti-trust cases more aggressively than Republican administartions, and Google is quickly approaching monopoly status. A concept like Wolfram Alpha would, at the minimum, provide an argument for Google about how there is still competition for search engine users in the marketplace. So, your conspiracy theory rants miss the mark. Guess you've been too busy teabagging and taking spooky black-and-white photos of yourself to come up with coherent comments.
Re: Internet Search Engines - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC) Expand
New Internet Search Engine
[info]jschrembs wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:42 am (UTC)
Jeff Schrembs said: Interesting article.
However, since GOOGLE is aligned with Obama and the Democratic Party (spearheaded by George Soros who is an admitted NAZI helper who made money working with the Nazi's during WWII and who is an admitted Communist/Socialist who is allowed, in spite of his FELONY conviction, to manipulate our currency while making BILLIONS) so whoever goes up "against" GOOGLE will surely find themselves investigated/audited/leglislated out of business.
Nuff said.
Jeffrey Schrembs, American Citizen
meh
[info]arbysauce wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:54 am (UTC)
"the information is assessed first by experts" -- that's going to compete with Google? How can I short this...
Expert Opinions
[info]loftwork wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC)
This appears to continue Harvard's Natural Language AI research which has been ongoing for decades. It sounds interesting but I suspect its inherent difficulties with the apparent illogic of culturally based questions like "Is DJ Kazza my Homie?" where significance is largely determined by context and meaning is overloaded, may leave it as an alternative search methodology rather than a dominant system. The lack of transparency about how information is "curated" may also be unhelpful. I hope it's better than the source for the "brief history of the internet" which manages to avoid mentioning DARPA while crediting Apple with the first successful graphic GUI, given that (a) they stole it from the Xerox Star and (b) you'd have to define successful.
Can it answer this question?
[info]mackname wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 04:38 am (UTC)
Ask it this question then:


What else?

[info]beastless wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 04:40 am (UTC)
The biggest internet revolution for a generation? Scuse me but I'd rather wait and see than believe this ridiculous piece of hype. It can't handle ambiguity, you say? Right, that's intelligent.
One more question
[info]mackname wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 04:42 am (UTC)

What will be its response to the same question by one user or many at a time or any other random time?

The same answer(s)????
[info]catherish312 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:09 am (UTC)
I wonder if this will really be that huge or if Google will overtake it and then Wolfram Alpha will be the little, unknown gadget...kind of like how Beta was pushed aside for VHS? Hmm..
Yes, you are right.
[info]roshangjha wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
This is what has happened to many such inventions. Take the example of Youtube.

http://www.makmoon.com
Wolfram Alpha
[info]timeshex wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:14 am (UTC)
It is going to become something immensely huge !

George Y. Krikorian
GAME Developer
Orlando, FL
Re: Wolfram Alpha
[info]trochilus wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 11:47 am (UTC)
. . . "immensely huge" . . . say, is that a repetitious redundancy?

Speaking of which, will WA it get jokes?

Is not the heart of human intelligence visualization . . . the ability apprehend and to successfully transfer imagery into a common conceptual, or at least understandable framework?

Successfully answering questions, and thereby better connecting the dots, are certainly indicea of intelligence. But discovery is something else.

We are human, after all. Is it not a better tool we want?
Re: Wolfram Alpha - [info]roshangjha - Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Time will tell
[info]abogados wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 05:24 am (UTC)
As long as my sites rank high, I'm all for it. http://www.gotaccident.com
Re: Time will tell
[info]roshangjha wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
Though it ranks high, mine is ranked higher at alexa.
http://www.makmoon.com
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